How do you know if Joseph Smith was lying or delusional?

How do you know if Joseph Smith was lying or delusional?
We know he did not translate the Book of Abraham correctly even though he claimed he did translate it. So now the question is – did he out right lie to the world or did he just believe he was doing it. You know, like a fortune teller believes.

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Suggestion by Sluggo
Common sense.

Suggestion by Emmy [Redux]
The fact that he was calculating enough to change his story a bunch of times and set up an expansive system that put him and his buddies in the spiritual charge of the souls of many young women who believed they needed to “please them” in order to enter the celestial kingdom of heaven indicates that he wasn’t just crazy.

Suggestion by The Reverend Soleil
We don’t KNOW that; but we do know the man had a long criminal record for fraud.

What do you think? Answer below!

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12 Responses to How do you know if Joseph Smith was lying or delusional?

  1. LionPebs September 7, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

    Lying. He was a 33 degree Freemason, he knew exactly what he was doing.

  2. dr schmitty September 7, 2013 at 10:25 pm #

    he knew from the start. he pulled the whole thing straight from his rear.

  3. Pastors George and Sharon September 7, 2013 at 10:35 pm #

    We don’t know his heart, attitude or intent, but we do know that he was deceived.

  4. TasselLady September 7, 2013 at 11:30 pm #

    The Mormon Church is a Pseudo-christian cult, and therefore these so-called writings by Joseph Smith have been debunked. The Mormons insist that the Book of Mormon is true, but then if it is, I’m wondering why is was necessary to change not only the words in it, but the meanings. It changed constantly over the last couple hundred years. And, the Mormons have a very checkered past, and if people see and read the inconsistencies, they’ll realize that it’s a counterfeit religion.

  5. James Bond September 7, 2013 at 11:35 pm #

    To be honest, even if he didn’t lie, Holy Bibles, or any religion books, they all contain Human Error. Think of the game broken telephone (where you gather in a circle with a bunch of people and you whisper to the guy next to you a message, the message will go around in a circile and back to your ear from the other guy next to you, 99% of the time, the message is always changed because it is human error) basically the story was passed down from generations so there is a possibility that the book may have changed, so even if the guy did translate it correctly, the book still is not accurate to the human error theory.

  6. Eh September 7, 2013 at 11:49 pm #

    we KNOW.

    Mormons don’t though.

  7. phrog September 7, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

    actually we DON”T know that – we don’t have the scrolls that were used to translate the BoA. what we have is about 13% of the total scrolls – and not the ones with the BoA on them.
    if you want to know about the BoM, take the challenge it offers… it, study it, ponder it, and pray to know if it is true or not. IOW, take it to God who provided it.

    @soleil…..actually we don’t know that either……what we actually know is that he spent time in the court system on charges with no convictions.

    @tori……not different just not all inclusive.

    for WTP……actually the portion recovered from the Metropolitan Museum doesn’t include it. the recovered portion is less than 13% of the total material held by JS.[6] eyewitnesses reported that the length of the papyri in Joseph’s possession was much more extensive than the fragments. fact is some of the papyri were burned in the Chicago fire and it’s possible that other fragments were lost or destroyed elsewhere. of the five scrolls JS had – only eleven fragments of two scrolls have survived. the 13% figure came from Dr Gee (yale grad -egyptologist) based on a formula developed by Friedhelm Hoffmann which can be used to determine the total length of a papyrus roll based upon measurements of the recovered fragments.
    and (lol) JS never “claimed” to be able to read egyptian – what he claimed was that God provided him with a translation.

  8. WellTraveledProg September 7, 2013 at 11:56 pm #

    I really don’t think it matter which one it was — it’s enough to know (as has been clearly shown) that his claims are worthless.

    His own history would seem to indicate that he was at first being intentionally deceptive, but later on might have actually come to believe that he was some kind of “prophet,” even though he continued to be intentionally deceptive. It happens often — tell a lie often enough and long enough, and you might actually start to believe it yourself.

    But like I said, I don’t think it matters — he was wrong, no matter what the motivation.


    edit: the claims about not having the “actual scrolls” and only “13%” of the BoA scrolls is absolutely false. The evidence is clear that the actual papyrus Smith used for the BoA were found, shown to actual Egyptologists, and it has been shown conclusively that Smith invented the entire thing and didn’t know *anything* about translating Egyptian. The “we don’t have the actual scrolls” is a false claim made by the church to try and hang onto their so-called “scripture.”

  9. St Thecla September 8, 2013 at 12:06 am #

    if Joseph Smith was lying or delusional? – BOTH. He was found a fraud and actually died after an ambush thing. That’s the fact.

  10. soldier's girl September 8, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    I’m sure when he translated the Book of Abraham, which really turned out to be a parts from the Book of the Dead and Book of Breathings, he never imagined we would be able to translate it for real some day.
    Joseph Smith was a 32nd degree Mason. His brother Hyrum was also a Mason. He used that knowledge to build his own church. In fact, when he was being shot at in Carthage Jail, he exclaimed “Oh Lord, My God” before he fell from the window. It’s believed he was trying to say the Masonic distress call, and any Mason would have been obligated to help him. “Oh Lord, my God, is there any help for the widow’s son”. Could have saved his life if he had been able to get it out.
    Occum’s Razor is a theory that states, when there are more than one possible solutions, the one with the least assumptions is correct. So either he was called of God, found ancient scripture, translated it, started a church, and restored the church as Jesus wanted it, OR he made it all up as a scheme for money and fame. And the fact he ran for president should be a good indication… So which statement has the least assumptions??? Hmmm… this is a toughy….

    Add – Isn’t it odd most of us have 5 thumbs down??? I bet there are 5 mormons sniffing around!!! LOL

  11. Cool Lou September 8, 2013 at 1:00 am #

    -i KNOW THAT JOE SMITH WAS LYING BECAUSE THE STORY HE TOLD IS PLAIN OL’ ORDINARY UNBELIEVABLE. aNY BODY WHO WOULD BELIEVE THAT CRAP IS A FOOL. The BS about the American Indians being jews should have proved the joe smith story ws BS but you know xtians. If the hear something new they will make up something to match it. Any black person that believes that nonsense needs to be taken directly to the woodshed and horsewhipped by his ancestors.

  12. Kerry September 8, 2013 at 1:23 am #

    Would not God himself know the answer to your question. You and anyone else can debate and speculate the answer all you want to. But would not God know? And, if you want to learn wisdom from God, why not do what he asks us to do in the Bible. (See James 1:5-6)

    5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
    6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

    That’s what millions of people have done, past and present. And they have found their answer. That is what I have done, and the answer I received is why I am a…

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